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Postby Canadian » Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:19 am

CBC News has obtained a government document that says reducing greenhouse gases from Western Canada's oilsands will be much more difficult than some politicians and the industry suggest.

The ministerial briefing notes, initially marked "Secret," say that just a small percentage of the carbon dioxide released in mining the sands and producing fuel from them can be captured.

The oilsands are the fastest-growing source of CO2 in the country, set to increase from five per cent to 16 per cent of total emissions by 2020 under current plans.

Capturing the gas and pumping it underground has been the key public strategy for reducing the oilsands industry's contribution to global warming.

The briefing notes, obtained by CBC under freedom-of-information legislation, are based on the findings of a joint Canada and Alberta task force on carbon capture and storage.

Not concentrated enough

Little of the oilsands' carbon dioxide can be captured because most emissions aren't concentrated enough, the notes say. For efficient capture, there must be a high concentration of CO2 coming out of a smoke stack.

"Only a small percentage of emitted CO2 is 'capturable' since most emissions aren't pure enough," the notes say. "Only limited near-term opportunities exist in the oilsands and they largely relate to upgrader facilities."

The Canadian and Alberta governments are spending about $2.5 billion on developing carbon capture and storage, and the oilsands generally come up as the first reason for spending the money.

In March, when he repeated a $240-million federal commitment to a project in Saskatchewan, Prime Minister Stephen Harper said: "This new technology, carbon capture and storage, when fully commercialized ... will collect carbon dioxide emissions from oilsands operations and coal-fired electrical plants and seal them deep underground."

The briefing notes, which went to federal and provincial politicians, were produced months before Harper's announcement. The carbon capture task force issued a public version of its final report in January.


The public duped again...Harper lies yet again...Yet I bet most people do not care either......

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Re: Secret advice to politicians: oilsand emissions hard 2 scrub

Postby Reverend Blair » Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:35 am

The ministerial briefing notes, initially marked "Secret,"


There's the real problem, we're expected to make judgments without all of the pertinent data. Why was this marked secret in the first place? It has no bearing on national security.

The only reason for trying to keep this secret is to avoid political fallout. It allowed Harper to lie. It helped to keep this off the agenda during the election. This is the kind of thing that could have flipped a seat or two, maybe more, and there are many, many similar things. Start putting them all together and Harper wouldn't have won the last election.
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Re: Secret advice to politicians: oilsand emissions hard 2 scrub

Postby Canadian » Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:38 am

Makes you wonder what else is marked 'secret' that is not national security?? Hopefully more of this kind of stuff comes out.

So I guess the oil patch won't have to clean anything up then as long as Dear Leader is in charge?
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Re: Secret advice to politicians: oilsand emissions hard 2 scrub

Postby peapod » Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:58 am

Harper is so transparent, as soon as obama was elected he came out with his climate policy, he thinks his dirty oil is going to get a pass, it will be interesting to see if it does, although when dick cheney visited the tarsands, he found beauty :lol: :lol: :lol: I doubt obama will see it that way.
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Re: Secret advice to politicians: oilsand emissions hard 2 scrub

Postby Durgan » Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:54 pm

Another sad feature about this playing politics with report is that the technology is suitable for sequestering CO2 from coal fired stations, which is much needed.

Apparently the technology is difficult to implement unless the CO2 is concentrated. The CO2 from the tar sands is not sufficiently so, meaning it is not practical or certainly not economical for use in the tar sands.

It appears the CPC ( Harper's Mob) are using this report to trick the public into thinking that they are addressing the pollution mess of the tar sands. It is also apparent that CO2 emissions of the tar sands is a minor issue compared to the the types of pollution damage created.

It is unfortunate that the world's eyes are focused on CO2, due to all the hype about global warming. Last "season" the issue was acid rain. Suddenly this problem has been solved; in that, the acid rain is never mentioned in the media.

It really drive the point home, just how the public is manipulated by the current story in the media.
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Re: Secret advice to politicians: oilsand emissions hard 2 scrub

Postby whitestone7 » Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:37 pm

Durgan said:
It really drives the point home, just how the public is manipulated by the current story in the media.

Yes Durgan - we have a lot (if not complete) media control in the media in Canada, most of which put a spin on things the government wants us to seeand by doing so tells us what to think - we are being brainwashed. What I find particularly reprehensible is that they then take this spin and export it to other countries as what the Canadian people think

Reverend Blair said:
There's the real problem, we're expected to make judgments without all of the pertinent data. Why was this marked secret in the first place? It has no bearing on national security.

Yes Rev - It had no bearing on national security at all - that is a Bush trick - and the way Harper is in league with bush and the policy makers in the United States it is no wonder that Harper has taken the same road

Canadian said:

Makes you wonder what else is marked 'secret' that is not national security?? Hopefully more of this kind of stuff comes out.

Yes Canadian - I wonder as well just how much stuff has been hidden under the guise of national security- but i'm not satisfied to stop thare - I would like to force the issue and make it come out - how I'm not quite sure yet - but i'm thinking seriously about it
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Re: Secret advice to politicians: oilsand emissions hard 2 scrub

Postby whitestone7 » Tue Nov 25, 2008 7:18 pm

ok it's done:

I sent an email to Tony Martin NDP (who is my MP and who I voted for) and also to Peter Julian NDP in B.C. (who is against the Security and Prosperity Partnership issue) asking them to force the issue in Parliament and make the government come clean on this matter as well as other things they are hiding from us under the guise of national security

We'll see what their response will be
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Re: Secret advice to politicians: oilsand emissions hard 2 scrub

Postby whitestone7 » Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:59 pm

some response eh:

the response to stephen harper exceeded my wildest expectations

hopefully we eventually seen the last of stephen harper in the very near future

he has extended the divide between french and english by his comments in the press

the relations between quebec and Canada may not be repairable

Well he has to unlock the doors of parliamant eventually ---- he can't hide from us forever

The only way stephen harper will win is to declare all other party's in canada unconstitutional

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Postby peapod » Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:11 pm

Seems like just another harper progie..no offense rev..
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